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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:03:00 -
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Damn it i've been whoring this forum all morning and I'm not even 1st or second!!!!
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Xanta
lol if trust want their outpost back what then?
Well its been clearly stated that the only other option to ISS managing the outpost is for one of the conquering alliances to manage it.
A neutral station is the best compromise for all concerned.
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Xanta
It was a privatly owned neutral station.
Those who took it are hardly in a position to hold it with 600 man blobs now i wonder who has the most isk to burn to keep it trust or iss?
Oh and as the two leaders of iss are a bit ;s this isn't really that shocking
BoB made it perfectly clear that trust moving back in wasnt an option. So what do you do? Either let a territorial alliance claim it, blocking off a key travel route.... or do you keep it neutral?
You really have to ask yourself about the other options available, and when you look at the facts... well, its a tough one to be sure, but this seems like a solution which works.
At the end of the day, if G/Trust want to get the outpost back they will be able to take it. We certainly wouldnt fight them. But what happens then? BoB come along and the same thing happens again.
It will be interesting to see how it goes. But we're not about to fight for it. Maintaining a public outpost (to which TRUST will no doubt have preferable access, I don't know the finer details) seems a good solution for all concerned given the other options available. And thats really the key question - what else can be done?
Is there even ANY solution? Possibly not. Maybe the EC outpost is destined to change hands multiple times. All we're saying is, if you want a neutral outpost which BoB are not going to come an conquer, here is a possible solution.
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Darko1107
This is beyond pathetic. You think you shouldnt give it back to trust because G/RZR will be scared of the big bad bob coming back to take it?
No, I'm clearly not saying that.
I said if G/TRUST want it back, we're not going to oppose that with force. We're not here to do any fighting, this is just a possible solution which won't involve another week-long siege.
I'm quite sure if you guys really want that outpost as a territorial one, you'll get it. And we would respect that. You might have another fight on your hands shortly after from others... but not from us.
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Karunel
Oh well I guess you've thought about it more than I. I could totally see TRUST hiring mercs to take the system back tho, with it being just one jump from empire and all...
They wouldnt even need to do that. But BoB have clearly stated that having the outpost in Trust hands wouldnt be acceptable to them, so what do you do?
If they took it they couldnt hold it. Do you want the outpost neutral or not? If not, well anyone can march in and claim it - ISS are not here to fight.
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Posted - 2006.04.07 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Emno
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
ffs guys, stop the whining.
iss got an offer to hold the outpost, bob has no interests in holding the outpost themselves, they only wanted to stop trust and their capital ship programs i guess.
so why not give it to iss if you are not going to use the outpost anyway? iss is still neutral, infact, they are doing most people a favour by taking the outpost under their flag, as people will still be able to dock and do their thing in ec-p8r, and that is something i would not be able to do with bob holding the outpost.
iss do nothing to get it 10% shares
trust build it 5% shares
notice anything wrong here
Have you considered that perhaps the terms of this were not dictated by us?
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Posted - 2006.04.07 12:24:00 -
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If G/TRUST really want the outpost back, it won't take any real effort.
Some large towers would do it.
We're not going to shoot at anyone.
We presented an option, but if they would prefer claiming it back, with the associated risks, then we will not be standing in the way.
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Posted - 2006.04.07 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Conveniently ignoring the fact that you're also major shareholders?
The vast majority of shares are outside the ISS. We're too poor to buy them ourselves 
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Posted - 2006.04.07 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Oy, shouldn't you be mining Veld? Count's in need of a couple more carriers :)
I fitted a Miner II on my megathron recently.
I was trying to bait someone. Didn't work
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz
many people view ISS just as big fat Pinata filled with t2 cookies, those ppl have waited for a long time for a reason to shoot ISS
and now ISS served them it on a silver tablet
People who think that have never fought ISS. The reality is the complete opposite because ISS isnt a rich alliance - not many T2 BPOS, outposts run as not-for-profit etc.
We're well known for our T1 frigate gangs in the south, you'll not find T2 drops from our gangs. Also, because we are so decentralised, its very difficult to actually pin us down like you could a territorial alliance. We could literally be anywhere on that big eve map.
We have seen time and time again people empire wardeccing the ISS thinking 'oh great, lots of easy kills' but the reality is nothing like that and very few of our wars last longer than a week.
But thats just a point of information more than anything. When we are operating out of 0.0 people shoot us all the time anyway, so we're used to it
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Posted - 2006.04.07 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: sidthesexist
TRUST reclaimed the outpost, good on you TRUST :)
I'm personally quite pleased they did. We said it was there for the taking, we were not joking when we said that - I believe our POS were unarmed :)
Good luck with it TRUST.
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Posted - 2006.04.07 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx
Why an industrial entity so keen on claiming neutrality would meddle in territorial disputes is beyond me.
It doesn't matter that you turned the outpost back into TRUST's hands; you should never have accepted to run it or even hold it in the first place. A simple "huh, no, not interested, kthxbye" would've been the best way to uphold your neutrality. I don't know how you fail to understand this.
Good luck with your future ventures.
How are the ISS shares doing lately? 
Well, I personally believe it has displayed the perfect example of how a neutral alliance can act as mediator.
BoB handed us the outpost, then TRUST then came in and claimed it with no opposition from the ISS whatsover.
Doesnt get much more neutral than that.
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Posted - 2006.04.07 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 07/04/2006 21:30:14
Originally by: Mercedes BZ
So to summarize:
BoB/ASCN/Allies accomplished their goal to destroy the Capital ship operations there.
They abandon Outpost.
ISS accepts the deal to manage it neutrally and gets bad publicity. 
Trust comes and takes it back.
So ISS gets free BAD publicity and no outpost. Way to go ISS, great job!
I suggest you read the official TRUST statement.
Trust are handing over the station to the ISS. Full details in the link below.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=320596
Mods - this thread is now redundant, please lock it.
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Posted - 2006.04.08 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
You would love that wouldn't you. Hoping to sweep the whole issue under the carpet before even more take notice. You really think the Trust statement changes what you have done? especially considering it's fairly apperent to anyone who pays any attention at all it was done under as much distress as your original actions.
They where desperate to get it back and did what it took to do so, even if it meant selling their soul to the devil. I seem to remember almost the exact thing happening down south with an outpost during Gs invasion of stain.
Their action are if not defendable at least understandable seeing the circumstances, yours are not. I do hope they lock this thread soon so ISSs comment here can't be edit out but will stay so the public can see them and make up their own mind about you.
There is really only one fitting reply to this post:
I guess some people are not happy whatever happens. I think you will find the TRUST statement completely blows a hole through the arguement that ISS are in BoB's pockets.
But if you're that desperate to flame the ISS you want to keep dead thread alives with posts like the above, feel free. It only makes you look stupid.
See you in KDF 
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Posted - 2006.04.08 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/04/2006 14:21:35
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Krackerjack
Originally by: Psychopat
And will they still hold it?
Most likley not
Two facts for you Mr Flametard:
1) TRUST did give them the outpost, see the official statement from them in this forum
2) I don't see another 600 man fleet coming along to lock down an ISS system for a week, when they will have no Capital Ship arrays to destroy. It would be a complete waste of time and no-one in their right mind would bother doing it.
You can crawl back under your bridge now.
1 and 2 is true, except that if there is alliance which decides to pick up on ISS (for the fun perhaps, since no capital shipyards or anything is there) - wouldnt wait for them to fill the system with poses: they would lock down, destroy 1-2 poses quickly and retake.. or keep it rinse and repeat to check just how far ISS is determined to 'manage' outpost for the good of all of eve
Even if not, ISS will have enormouse difficulties fueling those 30 poses: from what I understood, this system is camped ever since eve was made, and that will surely make it difficult to get indy with fuel even from the station itself warp to pos 
A representative from your alliance has already requested you stop your ignorant flaming in ISS threads. Camping a system for 7 days 23/7 killing shuttles is no-ones idea of fun.
I strongly suggest you follow the advice given by your alliance representative and stop making yourself look so stupid.
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